PATTON: Well, I have seen in those conversations, for instance, where someone has referenced their book of pictures of gang members and a whole host of emotions would go through an individual's mind. Some people have attempted to obtain a job and had no clear path as to how that might then come out. So that is a little bit of what I'm dealing with. I think it's important that we look at all of these issues and begin to understand them more deeply because there continues to be increasing conversations about gangs.
PATTON: So I'm trying to explore the different issues that you have raised. I have a PhD and a Master's degree. Both of my degrees were in the social sciences. I'd like to know more about your research.
NADLER: So, I was just going to ask you to expand a little bit on why that's an issue because it's like it's a 15-dimensional Rubik's Cube. It's a participatory revisionist history of black people in South Chicago and you've got that if you end up getting five-strikes. It's an insanely complicated recursive problem. And we're all so honest. I mean what we really feel is we're really honest in our criticism of people with black skin that have clearly committed crimes. But when we sit down with a white person and we talk about this and there have been people here over the years. How does it feel? It doesn't feel like a racial problem. It's a human problem. How do you make that feel more real to people in Silicon Valley?
PATTON: I think that it resonates in people's mind because of the challenges that we are facing in my community or the challenges that we are facing in the country. And so in my book, I think that my hope is to lay out the challenges. And then also, one of the things that we're dealing with is a dichotomy. And that's the dichotomy between good and bad. And I know it's simplistic. It's a dichotomy and I think that one of my goals in the book is to shed light on the complexity of the issue of gang violence. d2c66b5586